thank you. I’m skeptical that Sherwin Williams products are any better. Have been a painter for over 30 years and have painted hundreds of cabinet doors and drawers using sherwin williams , never had any problems. I will now paint my fireplace and t.v. the one point I will note is that I have not painted any horizontal surfaces with advance yet, so that may be the point where the curing really has an impact on the usage of a piece. I need to fix all of the cabinets and have no idea whether to repaint with oil, to try to fix with advance only to be disappointed again for an effort wasted, or to burn down the kitchen and move. There was an initial learning curve for how thick to brush on the paint. dropping knives happens LOL … touchups are a piece of cake and blend right back in. So, I went ahead with another coat thinking maybe I should just brush quicker or something, not wanting to turn back at this point especially after the expense of the paint. and it dries to a nice, smooth finish with pretty good self leveling. Too many drips and tacky two weeks later, drawers sticking, etc. I had problems with crazy orange peel (even with thinning), coverage, curing, and durability. Spray prime, sand, then 3 coats. Advance is no bueno. Each type provides a number of different options to ensure we always have the perfect paint for you and your outdoor project. I just painted all my oak kitchen cabinets that had a previous stain/finish and loved BM Advance. Advance is ideal for going over alkyd or an easy to use oil based product. Grrr. Kudos to you for taking on a job like that to make your wife a happy gal! I used a thin brush and a small flocked foam roller (Wooster Brush RR310-4 1/2 Jumbo-Koter Big Green Paint Roller). If you don’t have one a high-quality nylon brush (not a roller) will get the job done (it’s self-leveling.) It’s an off-white shade (half white, half linen-white blend) and have had no problems with it. The long wait time is also what gives the product it’s “self levelling” properties and is why you see few, if any, brush stroke marks in the final result. Depending upon the retailer, you may not have been given the recommended steps. Best part is he custom matches BM colors. The best way to paint kitchen cabinets or furniture is to to first know your substrate.Is it an oil or latex your painting over. Someone said it goes on like syrup and thats pretty much EXACTLY how I feel…. I prepped the surfaces properly. I used the Advance in a pearl finish color white for all of our interior doors, baseboards and cabinets and it turned out great. Do I need to do anything special with the oak grain before painting? All were sprayed with a Fugi 4 system and primed with BIN. Did you get an answer to your question? The more I read the more confused I get. ______________________________________________________________, If anyone has used Benjamin Moore Advance paint, please share your experience in the comments. I want to paint my kitchen cabinets white or ivory and then glaze them. Highly resistant to moisture, it is ideal for furniture and decorative features, curing to a hard, durable finish. Benjamin Moore Advance Paint? I’ve had good luck with advance before, to my eye the darkening might have changed the satin sheen a little. I have been using Advance paint for over a year! I had 19 double cabinets: 40 doors, 13 drawers, along with book shelves and a coat nook, and of course trim. I’ll do my best to respond to those . it was disappointing as I had put effort into making over my daughters room for her. My issues are bubbles in the paint. Benjamin Moore Advance Satin ... Advance Satin has a 25-35% sheen level and is available in over 3,500 Benjamin Moore colours. Benjamin Moore® is an American paint brand known for their superior quality paints, loved by professional painters and consumers alike. the first primer coat looked good the 2nd coat left sreaks, probably my fault trying to smooth out the primer by just one more stroke. it is good to hear that the white holds up better. I suggest using bin shall primer to assure adhesion and prevenr bleed through. First I have to say thank you Reeves for posting your experience with Advance. That’s where I would consider using Advance again. I was determined to spend the money an expensive paint, in order to obtain a great outcome, and initially I was looking to buy General Finishes, but the sales person recommended Benjamin Moore Advanced as a better paint for cabinets. The cabinets remained slightly tacky for a few weeks, but they finally dried fully after about 30-45 days (moving the doors to an air-conditioned room helped). Normally – if the a normal paint was shaken within a week, I wouldn’t even consider spoiling a stir stick, but this one needs blending. I hear this a lot from the advanced BM product.. But when I wanted to repaint our kitchen cabinets in our new house (new to us) I decided to use Advance products because I wanted the white to stay white and much of the kitchen doesn’t get a lot of daylight as it’s large and those areas would yellow with oil. This paint is also very prone to drips and sags which are a paint to get out since the paint stay tacky and is difficult to sand. I’ll post further thoughts as I go along with painting the actual pieces I am building. Hope this helps with anyone using this product in the future.. Did one with no prime and it looks even better. I did a lot of research and landed on using Advance. Authentic US manufactured and imported Benjamin Moore paints sold exclusively in the UK by Shaw Paints Ltd - buy on-line. Trust me this was a very valuable lesson. Works great on trim and doors, but I would never put it on furniture (unless I put a 2k poly clear over the top). They just took away all the negatives. Thanks for reading! I think I added 1/4 cup per gallon and it was still too thick. Advance comes in five finishes: Primer, Matte, Pearl, Semi-Gloss and High-Gloss. It’s a kitchen. Was turned on to BM Advance and what a nightmare, the paint is great but it was a total lack of knowledge given to me by the owner of the Bm paint store. In theory, this gives us all the benefits of … I just sand, apply a dot of primer on any of the base wood that is exposed and follow the same methodology with applying, drying, sanding, applying 2nd coat. So I did, just enough to make the paint glide on well. your paint consultant will recommend the correct paint after discussing your project (new wood, existing coatings..etc) There are also others who have found ways to successfully use this paint without the same problems I have encountered. It’s just implying that the truth is that it doesn’t work. A lot of the time if its old furniture or could be lead so if you thimk it’s painted before 1978 do a lead test. There is something very wrong with that paint. And for what it’s worth, I took absolutely no shortcuts in my whole cabinet process! There will always be pros and cons to each and there is no perfect paint, but I’ll keep you in the loop as I experiment with new (to me) products. primer, and sand well between all coats. Everything is smooth, run and bubble free, it cured nice and hard in about 2 weeks, the couple very small dings we have are from the period between application and full cure. I followed the salesperson’s advice and used the advance primer (2 coats, applied at least 16 hours apart) and then several thin coats of the paint also waiting at least 16 hours between coats. I am in the process of painting a bathroom vanity cabinet in a lighter grey color – again, in Advance – will update on how that turns out. Not good coverage but pretty when it dried. I sanded and try again and still have the same results. I’ve used the advance on a vanity and a couple of side tables and I have to say I love it. Advance is an alkyd resin in a waterbased suspension. Again, went on easily and, so far, has done very well. Browse Benjamin Moore exterior paint and indoor paint to create a cohesive palette for your entire home. The process I followed was: I wished I never used this paint! I do not recommend this paint So I called Benjamin Moore customer service and asked how to thin the paint (since it was a water/oil hybrid) and the agent who spoke to me said you cannot thin it! I ended up having to sand and reprime and then used the Ben Moore Ultra Spec and had flawless results. The piece turned out well and I did not have the same problems I had with the Salsa piece. I did notice that it had a strong odor but was not the usual paint smell. If you have further questions about the paint I did not cover leave them in a comment. I have not had the issue you spoke about it went in a dried I too allow to dry 24 hrs to ensure it is dry. Let me be very clear in saying these are my opinions and my experiences. I am assuming a polycrylic would be ok? Next time I smell something that doesnt smell like the usual paint smell, I will return vs using. With high durability and excellent cleaning properties, these paints can spruce up any space. The can was shaken when I first got it, but that was over a month ago. Hope this is useful. It’s a big expense for the troubles. I used this because I could move the doors to a well-ventilated garage, and spray priming is just faster than brushing. The finish paint was $50/gallon and I think the primer may have been $48/gallon. The very best recommendation is Stix Bonding Primer (which is a thinner primer used for adherence of the Advance) or Fresh Start (which has exactly the same adherent properties as Stix in it, however also has the benefit of higher hiding qualities to cover darker colours or to provide a thicker coating and fill in very minor imperfections or minimize wood grain). The specs say that you should wait 16 hours to recoat in mild conditions (warm temps and low humidity). – It is fantastic! dried 24 hours. I took the can of paint back to the store and they replaced it with a new gallon. applied coat one of paint. full circle – I bought Advance a year or two ago (trim and cabinet – white hi gloss and reg. I’ve used that and been happy with the results–and the guy who owns the company, Jeff, is great with answering any questions you have. I am trying to decide on a paint for my newel posts and handrail. Also, what primer did you use? Lots to think about! I’ve been receiving emails almost daily about my opinion of this paint now that I’ve used it a few times and lived with the paint on pieces. Using the correct extender can help with that. So, all that to say I had good and bad experiences. When professionals come over to do handywork jobs or whatever, they always comment how great my cabinets look and other than knowing they were painted, they can’t even tell. I’m painting bare mdf and started with Zinssser 123. i tried a flat painting pad. No problems there. Most had one coat of primer, 2-3 coats of paint. Prep: 1. degrease with a mild degreaser like a dawn and water solution to get off dirt, food and grease. I ended up sanding off the texture [not fun] re-priming, sanding again [ugh] and using Rustoleum enamel paint with Penetrol. And it absolutely paid off. I painted all of my kitchen cabinets with Advance 2 years ago. -clean well with Krud Kutter The only people (not too many) I have ever seen return with disappointment in the product omitted one of the steps or just disregarded the advice about the use of the product altogether. Just used it on a wall. It is simply not durable enough to withstand the abuse. Will adhere to oils sets fast easy to to apply and drys extremely hard. An acrylic with high quality topcoat would be good too, just don’t cheap out. I had 33 doors/drawers. Is there a different cabinet paint I can go over With? I’ve tried painting in warm weather (dried way too fast), cool weather, applying less, applying more, with a brush only, with a roller then brushed within 10 seconds of applying using a good quality (Purdy XL) brush. Adding a tiny bit of water seemed to help. Added)a clear base. I haven’t tried it yet but have read good things about Target Coatings EM6500. But really this is a minor imperfection, and the cabinets look amazing. I would be absolutely thrilled if you gave Sherwin Williams cashmere line a try. There will be a post about my experience with that later on. The people at Benjamin moore said that you should only use their product the “Stays Clear”. Then I apply the Advanced paint using a spray gun. I went to one of their stores and told them I was painting furniture. and it’s still pristine. waited 3 days or so before I reattached the doors and drawer fronts. Namely wonderful. The batch I had must have had something wrong with it because the new can of Advance was perfect and went on beautifully. Even before mixing. I would use it again, but not on a project that I was in a rush for. I would not suggest using, and does not compare in durability to BM Impervo, which I have used on over 50 homes, but EPA crackdown on oil alkyds had me try Advance. I am currntky using in a kitchen table but will try a polycrylic top coat to ensure durability. Both of these primers act much like double sided sticky tape, adhering to the item being painted and to the Advance paint. Not all primers are sealers but sealer is already giving you a natural surface to work with. It has a built in top coat, is self leveling, quick dry & recoat times, you can make your own colours by mixing them yourself plus the website has tons of “recipes”for creating more colours. These were on built-in projects in which the client had used the product already in the home. I had them mix up a dark brown paint, I believe the sheen was satin. waterborne alkyd enamel is not furniture grade. It also provides a tough finish that stands up to repeated washing. It is not nearly as durable as I have heard it should be, either. When Benjamin Moore came out with their new Advance paint, we really wanted to try it. Moreover, the paint is peeling. 3rd one white for just plain white or off whites and light colors. And 2. curing. well that was 10 days ago and it still isn’t dry…. If you’re painting furniture, consider how the piece is used and whether you can wait to let the paint cure properly. Sorry about that experience. The advise we got was to clean the tile thoroughly, apply one coat of the primer, we used Zinsser Bullseye 1-2-3 then one or two coats of the Benjamin Moore Advance in the satin. Even when I open the can, bubbles everywhere. The 2 biggest things were 1. durability. I had good luck with Benjamin Moore waterborne satin impervo. The rep told me to put a fan towards it but that didn’t help either. I’ve recently used Benjamin Moore’s Advance, white gloss. I used a sponge roller and got tons of bubbles everywhere. Thanks for sharing! It has some of the benefits of an alkalyd (durability, self leveling, etc.) I occasionally use SW paint when it’s on sale – and know they have different version of same paint – one that puts off 50 (can’t remember units, related to VOC output.) After I initially posted about using the paint on this dresser (my first project with Advance) I received numerous messages from people who had also used Advance and had bad stories, although admittedly some good experiences as well, like me. Sheens available: Matte, Satin, Semi-Gloss, High Gloss Exceptional application and feel Outstanding coverage and hide Cures … I could see how you would have issues with it chipping. thannks! I would expect it to be the other way around. Yes my paint was a cream colour. Seems to be doing fine. *also take note of previous commenters regarding prep. Sometimes the existing paint on the surface and the new paint like Advance can react with each other and could cause orange peels or a forever tacky surface. I then followed with BM Advanced in a gray. I am a diehard BM user primarily because they have almost no odor but this one was extremely stinky. It’s fun to apply, going on smoothly and easily. Found your blog while looking for pointers to help with finishing this piece nicely. I used BM advance in semi gloss Bavarian white on book shelves and would never use it again. So, yes, I had cabinet doors hanging all around my house for weeks! I tried thin coat, I tried thick coat. High humidity here doesn’t help. I think the difference is all the pigment they have to put in the color to get it that bright. If it’s bare wood the Advance primer is best. Be aware that painting a dresser in a dark color will require holding it through an extended cure time before delivering to a customer safely. Required fields are marked *. Little dings kept happening on edges and corners without the piece even being used very much. So they pick and choose the key elements. I would still prime it after. What this paint is good for are surfaces that do not see as much high traffic. I have GF milk paint on my cabinets currently and would like to change the color. I’m so sad…I will have to redo this project and am not happy at all. 3. This is usually a rare issue noticed with very bright or deep colours and can also be resolved with a third coat. Failing to consider that can lead to trim plates and picture frames sticking to paint that isn’t fully cured. You need to lightly sand, but if you sanded through the sealer, you need to seal it again. I sanded and primed every single surface before painting. Also did two coats of the BM Advance. Love to know what you found words best. I have never put a top coat over the paint. Several years ago, I turned an extra bedroom into a study/den for my daughter, and I asked the paint guy at my local Home Depot what I should use on the desk that I made (it is a solid core door panel that I cut to fit the closet. The paint is not completely self-leveling and one can see roller marks in some places if you squint. If you have an opinion on this please fire away – thanks, Suzanne. I love Advance and the key element I have found to this paint for perfect trim and cabinets is: adding this to Advance gives a glass finish, levels extremely well, and dries/cures really hard. Can you please clarify? I know people who have used this paint with a topcoat and had great results, but I cannot personally share about it since I have not tried the combination. He sold me a pint of Behr’s best oil based primer, and he told me to pick up some Impervex from BM. That’s how it was interpreted by the last sale that ended up not happening. So much of the base has to come out to then add the tint – wondering if that impacts the consistency/lack of curing of the paint? I occasionally have a ding or to touch up, but with 2 teens in the family that’s to be expected. Also being an expensive colorant makes the price go up. It does seem to be quite durable and non-sticky once it cures. Hi Reeves- I, too, have had a disappointing experience with BM Advance on two night tables. Here’ a tip of two for others… Mix the paint REALLY well – even it it was shaken at store the day before. Aura semi gloss has great coverage with vibrant colours and durability. It can cover a wall or ceiling a wall in 2 coats or less and looks amazing once the paint has fully dried. These were some factory primed MDF doors on a customer’s job done with Muralo Ultra High Gloss and simply rolled on with a microfiber roller. This luxury paint runs around $50 a can, but it’s definitely worth the money. Too thick and I got sagging. I’ve used SW Pro-Classic with a topcoat (it does need one to not be sticky) and it’s been great. In this application, it’s been as or more durable than the oil base used on the rest of the home’s trim work. I used thin coats. 2. rough up all surfaces with sanding to open up the gloss finish on the wood stain. 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